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Chapter 480 Determinants

Ma Qingyang's support made Zhou Liwen a little surprised. Zhou Liwen had originally considered his problems. After all, when the merger was first merged, Ma Qingyang talked with Zhou Liwen about the plan to go public, and being able to list the company has always been his ideal. But now he followed Liu Ting to express support for his proposal, which is equivalent to taking the initiative to give up a large part of his listing interests. You must know that in the entire network group, Liu Ting and Ma Qingyang are different. Of course, it is not just their relationship with Zhou Liwen, but the key is that their respective proportions within the network company are different.

Liu Ting has been in charge of Zhou Liwen's business in charge of Alipay and Taobao from the very beginning, so she has a relatively high proportion of them. On the contrary, Ma Qingyang is the founder of Ali. In the merged equity structure, his proportion on Ali is the highest after investors such as Zhou Liwen and SoftBank.

According to Zhou Liwen's current plan, it is equivalent to divesting Alipay. Although there is support for the listing of Taobao and Ali businesses, Ma Qingyang suffered a lot of losses in this way. Even if Zhou Liwen just proposed to cash in on the concession to exchange shares, it only made up for part of it.

But even so, Ma Qingyang was the second to express his support. Zhou Liwen couldn't help but look at him deeply. Perhaps feeling Zhou Liwen's gaze, he looked back at Zhou Liwen calmly, with clearness and calmness in his eyes.

With the support of the two giants of the Internet Group, the opinions of the others are not a big problem. Moreover, the compensation plan proposed by Zhou Liwen did not harm their interests much. Considering this, and Zhou Liwen is the real boss, the meeting quickly passed the proposal, thus confirming the decision.

After the "Thank you" meeting, Zhou Liwen took the initiative to call Ma Qingyang and expressed his gratitude for supporting him.

Ma Qingyang replied with a smile: "You're welcome, Jay Chou, we have been a family for a long time, and the company's financial support and development speed have been obvious since you invested. It is enough for me to be able to reach this point today, and I understand why you decided like this."

"Oh, do you understand?" Zhou Liwen asked subconsciously.

Ma Qingyang's laughter echoed on the microphone: "Of course I understand that online e-commerce and online banking are completely different industries, although they have the word Internet in front of them, and they rely on the Internet. But from the perspective of specific services and business, one is a completely service-oriented platform that provides technical support. The other belongs to the financial industry system. Since there is such a big difference, it is much better to separate them than to pinch them together. To be honest, if possible, I even think it might be better to list Taobao and Ali separately, so that our financing scale and company structure can be larger."

"Hahaha, you don't have to think about this. People on Wall Street are not fools. These guys are all very smart." Zhou Liwen laughed after hearing this. Of course, he knew that Ma Qingyang was just joking with him. If he really broke it up like this, let alone the stock exchange, even Fuguo and Goldman Sachs would not pass. Moreover, Zhou Liwen has now divested Alipay, and he still has to spend some time on negotiations with Fuguo and Goldman Sachs.

"The next step is to ask Mr. Ma and Mr. Liu to cooperate in the work of divesting the company and complete the preparations before listing as soon as possible."

"This is no problem. In fact, Alipay is relatively independent in the operation of the Internet group. What we have to do now is the separation of some procedures and the allocation of personnel structure. But have you talked to him about Mr. Sun? I'm worried that he might..."

Ma Qingyang refers to Masayoshi Son. SoftBank is now the second shareholder after Zhou Liwen, but Zhou Liwen did not invite Masayoshi Son to attend this meeting, and he didn't say hello to him in advance. Of course, it was not that he looked down on him, but Zhou Liwen knew that Masayoshi Son is a stingy guy. Once he got into the verge of sting, it was inevitable to get entangled in this matter. Although Zhou Liwen is a major shareholder and can be arbitrary according to the equity ratio, he doesn't want to cause anything because of Masayoshi Son's opinion. So his arrangement is to first convince Ma Qingyang and other company senior and small shareholders to get the initiative, and then talk to Masayoshi Son.

After roughly talking about his own arrangements, Ma Qingyang nodded to express his understanding. He had been dealing with Masayoshi Son for much longer than Zhou Liwen, and of course he knew Masayoshi Son's character and shortcomings. If Masayoshi had not invested in Ali at the beginning, Ma Qingyang's company would not have had any future development. But if Masayoshi had not expressed his plan for Ma Qingyang's subsequent increase in investment and had been reluctant to pay more, then there might not be a chance for Zhou Liwen to take over in the future.

"Jay Jay Chou plans to go to Japan to have an interview with Mr. Sun?" asked Ma Qingyang.

"Of course, it's not to mention that now is the day when spring is blooming. After staying in the United States for a long time, I am also trying to relax in Japan." Zhou Liwen replied with a smile.

"Jay Jay Chou is really intrigued." Ma Qingyang was also happy when he heard this. He suggested: "This way, if Jay Chou is convenient, let me know before leaving, and I will meet Mr. Sun. After all, I have known him for a long time, so maybe I can help you."

Hearing Ma Qingyang so proactive, Zhou Liwen agreed without hesitation. The two continued to chat on the phone, talked about some details about the company's divestment, and then ended the call.

The structure of listing has been determined. Although Masayoshi Son has not finally received a statement from his opinion, at least the obstacles that hinder Zhou Liwen were no longer there. Next, Zhou Liwen made modifications to the document, removed the Alipay part, and then officially stated his decision to Fuguo and Goldman Sachs.

Zhou Liwen guessed correctly. When his modified item was transferred to the other party, Fuguo and Goldman Sachs soon sent someone to find Zhou Liwen. On the one hand, it was said that Zhou Liwen was extremely unwise to remove Alipay from the listing structure, and on the other hand, it was to persuade Zhou Liwen to change his mind and continue to follow the plan they came up with.

"I will never put Alipay in it and go public together." Zhou Liwen said firmly to the person sent by Fuguo. He looked at the old friend in front of him, Mikes, senior director of the Finance Department of Wells Fargo.

"Bavc..." Mikes was about to persuade him again, but Zhou Liwen waved his hand at him: "My friend, I actually told people from Goldman Sachs a few hours ago, not to mention that Wells Fargo and Goldman Sachs are essentially different. As a senior director of Wells Fargo's finance department, you should know better than ordinary people that Alipay is actually a bank structure, not an ordinary Internet company."

"I have to say, you are really stubborn." Mikes and Zhou Liwen have also been dealing with each other for many years. Looking at Zhou Liwen's persistent expression, he shrugged his shoulders in disappointment.

"Haha, Mikes, my old friend." Zhou Liwen stood up, put his hand on his shoulder, and said seriously: "Actually, I understand what you think. You may have been in the position of senior director of the finance department for many years. I heard that Wells Fargo is having a vacant position as vice president. If I guess correctly, if the Internet Group is fully listed, it will be a very good result for you, and of course it can also increase your bargaining chips in the competition."

A hint of surprise flashed through Mikes' expression, but he quickly returned to normal. He shook his head and smiled bitterly, "It seems that these secrets are really not secrets."

"Of course, don't forget that although I didn't join the board, I am also a director of Fuguo."

Mikes nodded and said, "You are right, I do have this idea. And you have also seen our plans and plans with Goldman Sachs. Although the entire market is not very prosperous now due to the subprime mortgage crisis and Lehman Brothers, the market needs to be stimulated at this time to inspire people's confidence in the securities market. And your network group is the best choice. If everything goes well, the market value after listing will reach US$2.6 billion or even more. Do you know what this means?"

Seeing Zhou Liwen nodding silently, Mikes said again: "Now, if you separate Alipay from the plan, this will lead to a significant reduction in the difficulty of raising stocks and a significant reduction in market value. If this is the case, the final result will be half of the original one, and maybe less than this number."

What Mikes said about Zhou Liwen does not deny, especially institutions like Wells Fargo, with a 2.6 billion plate, which is also a huge and profitable big project for Wells Fargo. With Mikes currently competing for vice president, if he completes this project, he will be more likely to win. If Zhou Liwen's current change plan is followed, then it is just a project worth investing in and will not decisively affect his future.

But Mikes also admitted that Zhou Liwen did this. After all, as a senior executive of a huge banking institution ranked first in the world, he knew the essence and value of Alipay more than anyone else. In fact, from the beginning, he came up with this plan to involve Alipay and increase the intensity of listing. Unexpectedly, Zhou Liwen was not confused by the big pie drawn by Wells Fargo and Goldman Sachs, and decisively stripped Alipay from the project, which made all the previous calculations go unsuccessful.

"Ask you a question." Zhou Liwen suddenly said.

Seeing Mikes looking up at him, Zhou Liwen asked with a smile: "My friend, if you answer me honestly according to my request, how sure is you to go public?

"Of course, you have to be sure. Even if Alipay is divested, your network group still has the potential to go public. And from the current scale, Taobao alone has surpassed eBay, let alone the Ali platform. So Alipay is not a decisive factor, but it has enhanced its capital and the confidence of investors after listing."

"OK, this sentence of you is enough." Zhou Liwen nodded with satisfaction.

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