After hearing what Su Yonglin said, the Ministry of Finance generally did not have any fierce opposition.

Because what this is true.

Su Yonglin also saw some plans of the Ministry of Finance, and felt ridiculous.

"Don't say that all the people who open restaurants and hotels in the private sector need to be state-owned. Even the vendor owners come out to sell some breakfast and late-night snacks, you all need state-owned.

If you set up a stall to sell some tea to quench your thirst and heat up, you need to be a state-owned business. Old ladies or housewives will set up stalls to do some sewing and slits, and you also need to be a state-owned business.

Forget it, the state-owned enterprises are labeled as exploitation and oppression... Many of them set up their own stalls, come here alone or their own family to help, and oppress themselves?"

Su Yonglin shook his head and sighed repeatedly.

"I have learned that these small stall vendors basically have enough labor to farm at home, so they set up a stall to do some small business to fill in the family. They think about living a good life and suddenly don't let them do this. What will they think?

Even if we don’t consider these things, we must eliminate private businesses. Then can we meet all the actual needs of the people in the future? It’s like these stalls selling breakfast, late-night snacks or big bowls of tea.

Now it is blooming everywhere and everywhere, which can meet the needs of the people. After the state-owned operation, can we have enough personnel to replace them? What should we do if the people’s demand is too large and we can’t meet it?"

Officials from the Ministry of Finance look at me, I look at you, no one answered Su Yonglin's questions.

I really don't know how to answer.

Previously, with the expansion of the state-owned economy and the improvement of the economic situation, they were overwhelmed and were very satisfied with the status quo and felt that the day the state-owned economy was fully built was the time for the achievement of the ideal society. For this reason, they decided to promote all this at all costs.

But now it seems that the situation is not that simple.

Their original intention is correct, but it is difficult to promote it when it comes to actual implementation.

People’s actual needs are here. Due to the issue of productivity, state-owned enterprises may not be able to meet the actual and precise needs of everyone, which will inevitably cause a lot of problems at the actual level.

How to solve it?

Ignore it?

Immerse yourself in false victory?

That would be contradictory.

The officials lowered their heads and refused to speak, but Lin Jingchun still had some small resentment.

Lin Jingchun is open-minded on the issue of infinite state-owned operation, neither insisting nor opposing it. He has always focused on the fact that the country has enough money to use, and in other aspects he is really unable to do anything.

So he looked at the debate between Su Yonglin and his subordinates, but he didn't say anything.

But at this final stage, he felt that some things had to be said.

"Chairman, we don't have to be state-owned. Didn't we spend too much money before and make too little money? All departments asked me for money. As soon as I opened my mouth, I could not listen to the numbers I dare not listen to. The money was still paid. The treasury was empty and all the rats inside were going to move. Can I make money without thinking about ways to make money?"

Lin Jingchun stared at Su Yonglin and complained: "Don't I want to be a real Minister of Finance, do some national policy matters, and save the rushing around. Isn't this also forced me to be a businessman to make money in business?"

Well, this problem is also a practical problem.

Speaking of this issue, the heads of every department in the court must be guilty and have no confidence in Lin Jingchun, including Su Yonglin.

When we were going to use money, everyone wanted to have fertility in the copper coins managed by Lin Jingchun, which could make small money with big money, and small money could continue to grow and have small money.

Now that the crisis has passed and the finances are getting better, this kind of problem has arisen. It is indeed a bit embarrassed to say this.

However, what should be said should be said is that this is a major national event and concerns the future people's livelihood issues. We cannot ignore it because of some personal minor issues.

Su Yonglin could only point fingers at Lin Jingchun with shamelessness and ask him to understand everything.

"The Ministry of Finance represents the country, can guide and restrain private business, and work with the judicial department to set up relevant laws and regulations. Except for the necessary industries that must be controlled, there is no need to intervene in competing with the people for profit.

The past was difficult and had to do it, but now life is getting better. It is time to make some adjustments in the past."

Obviously, Su Yonglin pays attention to internal democracy, but his influence is still extremely strong. Under his influence, Lin Jingchun adjusted some of the Ministry of Finance's policy routes.

Afterwards, the Ministry of Finance really canceled more than a dozen state-owned plans that were ready to be promoted, and set a prospect for several state-owned industrial departments of considerable scale to gradually promote privatization in the future.

It is to make some preparations in advance to avoid being in a hurry.

This policy adjustment also put a vaguely generated "infinite state-owned" thought within the Ministry of Finance, and stopped the excessive spread of this tendency, which was considered a rainy day in a sense.

In the ideal society in the future, even the country is not needed. Global integration and human unity, where does it need state-owned operation?

But in this era, if they want to reach that end, this is the path they must go through, this is the means, the method, not the purpose, and not the final result.

Gu Mi

Ultimately, it is still a matter of production.

If production fails to keep up with ideals, there will always be many problems, which is something that Su Yonglin cannot ignore in any case.

Although the goal was achieved, Su Yonglin walked around Lin Jingchun for a while later and did not meet him privately unless necessary, so as not to feel panicked by his resentful eyes.

It was not until the end of the Second Ming and Song War that Su Yonglin finally had the confidence to meet Lin Jingchun and discuss things with him.

Lin Jingchun was also full of joy because of a large wave of high-quality economic resources. His attitude towards Su Yonglin has improved a lot, and he has a little bit of intimacy at the time.

Then he went south in person and took many people away to Guangzhou and Quanzhou.

But this matter did not end there.

When Su Yonglin held a state meeting and made suggestions on the Ministry of Finance's infinite state-owned ideas, not all officials of the Ministry of Finance agreed with Su Yonglin's idea.

Su Yonglin's long-term attitude of encouraging democratic centralism has gradually faded into the Revival Society as a traditional emperor.

In the past four years of Hongwu, officials with Fuxing membership have gradually become less concerned about his identity as emperor, and dare to put forward many different ideas at the meeting, even dare to debate with him and stick to their opinions.

Su Yonglin is also very willing to have ideological discussions or debates with members.

At the meeting at that time, officials from the Ministry of Finance stood up to oppose Su Yonglin's idea.

He said that Su Yonglin personally wrote "Hongwu Political Commentary" and many articles have explained the appearance of the ideal society he wanted to build.

It was a society full of peace, friendship, justice and equality, and a great material life. Everyone yearned for it. Everything the Ministry of Finance did was to realize such a society as soon as possible.

Since ancient times, there has been no businessman, and no businessman is not businessman. Businessmen operate for profit and to make money, which will inevitably harm the interests of the people. Therefore, only by eliminating private businesses, nationalizing everything, and eliminating profiteers in the form of a state-owned economy can the interests of the people be safeguarded. What's wrong with this?

Su Yonglin's statement was also very firm at that time.

"This is not wrong, but comrades, social development has its own natural laws, and natural laws cannot be reversed by us with our will. I often say that we must give full play to our subjective initiative to transform the whole world and build our ideal society successfully, but man is not a god.

There are some things we can't do, we must admit that we can't stand here to make the day turn into night immediately, I can't point here at my cup of cold tea, and make it hot immediately with my will. We have to heat it so that it can get hot, right?"

Su Yonglin pointed to the sky outside and pointed to the teacup in front of him.

As a result, the official of the Ministry of Finance came over and poured hot water into Su Yonglin's teacup.

"You have also said that no one has done it, it doesn't mean that it can't be. This has always been like this, right?"

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Su Yonglin was very depressed when asked for a moment.

"Even if it is a state-owned enterprise, it is impossible to be completely unprofitable. The state-owned enterprise does not mean that it is doing good deeds, because there are always things that will not change because of our will. Even if we master the entire process from production of raw materials to distribution.

We can insist that the price remains unchanged, but the cost cannot remain unchanged. The transportation costs caused by the downpour and the production costs caused by operational mistakes. If any process is problematic, it will lead to an increase in costs.

This process is difficult to control without any mistakes. Who can do without mistakes? Besides, the weather problem is not something that people can control. In this case, if you stick to your opinion, you will suffer losses."

Officials still stick to their own views.

"As long as the price remains unchanged and the state bears losses, it will not harm the interests of the people, right? As long as we insist that the court pays for subsidies, state-owned shops and workshops can be persevered and continue to safeguard the interests of the people."

"But isn't the country's money also from the people? Only when the people pay taxes can the country have money. The wool comes from the sheep. It is said that the state bears it, but in fact it is the people who pay taxes.

The court itself is not a shop that can make money, and it is not profitable. So, we are operating all industries well, aren’t we also responsible for the people who pay taxes?”

Su Yonglin spread his hands and said slowly.

Now, the official lowered his head and his face was a little dim.

Obviously, he didn't expect this matter, but he just didn't think of a logically self-consistent method.

Shaoqing, he raised his head and asked, "Then it's enough to make money in foreign trade. Jiangnan earns so much money through trade, as long as we master all of it, we can get enough money to fill this part of the loss."

"Who knows how much losses will be in this part? Who knows whether the sea trade can be done forever? Who knows how long this money can be earned? Once a civil war occurs in a country where we are doing business, will we continue to do business with us?

Once this business cannot continue and we cannot make money through the maritime trade, who will bear the huge losses? How long can our finances last? What should we do if there are other places to use money at this time?"

Looking at the speechless official, Su Yonglin shook his head and said, "Your original intention is good. I believe so firmly, but there are too many uncontrollable things in this world. At the same time, we are responsible for the lives of tens of millions of people. We cannot do anything when our heads are hot. This is too dangerous."

The official said nothing afterwards.

Su Yonglin didn't know whether he agreed with his own thoughts in his heart.

But he suddenly realized that since there are so many people who hold the same idea in the Ministry of Finance, there are probably not many people across the country.
Chapter completed!