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Chapter 611 How to talk if you don't fight

"Haoge! Your absurd words are simply ridiculous! It's ridiculous!" Dorgon's face turned red, and the blue veins on his forehead roared. He shouted sternly: "Haoge, I was caught off guard that day, so that the Tang army was lucky to have a sneak attack. How could you say so unbearable? No matter what happened in the past, why did you say that to drive the Tang army away from our Qing territory? You only had to discuss this path with the Tang army. As the right regent of the Qing Dynasty, what was your intention to say that you were so depressed and demoted!"

Seeing Dorgon getting angry and looking angry, Haoge sneered repeatedly. He snorted and continued, "Prince Rui said so proudly, why didn't he show it on the battlefield? If Prince Rui could have kept the Tang army out of the border and prevented them from occupying Yingkou, Haicheng and Zhenyuan Fort, then I would really be more respectful to you. Now, what's the use of saying this to me so righteously and righteously? In my opinion, I'm afraid it's too much of anger. Do you really think that my Qing Dynasty is so weak now?

I am so depressed that I can fight the brave Tang army, wouldn’t it be a joke? I think in the Battle of Vladivostok, the late emperor devoted his elite troops from all over the country to the army and fought hard with the Tang army for nearly a month. He could not conquer this small Vladivostok fort. Instead, he lost his troops and lost his troops. The late emperor himself eventually died because of this. How painful is this lesson! Now I am very refreshed and lost my troops and lost their territory. The morale of the entire army is sluggish, and there are many people who are tired of war. What confidence do you have to drive away the Tang army that is waiting for work and firmly guarding Yingkou, Haicheng, and Zhenhai Fort in Liaoxi?"

Haoge's words were stern, and he had a gun and a stick, which made Dorgon embarrassed and angry, but it was not easy to attack.

Dorgon gritted his teeth and pondered, and replied, "Haoge, have you ever thought that if we really put down our posture like this, we would not even have the courage to fight another battle with the Tang army, and we would almost beg to negotiate with the Tang army. Not to mention how to lower our reputation, just in terms of the negotiation situation, it would be so unfavorable! What I can be sure of is that even if the Tang army is willing to negotiate, it will despise us more and more and more. If the Tang army requests this way, how can we deal with ourselves? Besides, you and I, as the regents of the Qing Dynasty, do such a thing as to ruin our reputation and humiliate our country? If we really do this, how should we face the raging mouths of thousands of subjects in the entire Qing Empire? Haven't you ever considered this?

After Dorgon finished speaking in pain, before he could take a breath, Haoge snorted coldly and replied: "Dorgon, I know what you said. The future negotiations with the Tang army will definitely be very difficult, and it is very likely that during the negotiation process, we will have to lose some of our country's inherent rights and interests. These should be helpless and extremely difficult to avoid."

Haogeton lowered again, with a heavy expression on his face: "But what I want to say is that since we are the strong ministers of the country, we should put national affairs first in everything, and we should not just care about personal honors, disgrace and rights. I have always believed that what we need to do now is not to talk nonsense, but to face reality and never be willing to show off! If we really ignore the current weak situation of our country and must compete with the Tang army and kill to the death on the battlefield, I am afraid that we will not only be very likely to

If you lose on the battlefield, you are more likely to have to come to seek peace with the Tang army when you lose troops and lose generals. If you really reach such a situation, it will be the real shame and the real powerlessness to turn things around! Under such conditions of defeat, even if the Tang army is willing to negotiate with us again, the conditions will be quite rigorous, and it is very likely that it will be much more harsh than the conditions that can be achieved now. When I reached such a situation, in addition to humiliatingly agreeing to the Tang army's conditions, how could I have any countermeasures?!"

Haoge's stern rhetoric made Dorgon stunned for a moment.

He secretly hated him in his heart. It seemed that Haoge had been prepared for this guy to come today and would convince himself not to fight with the Tang army, but to have so-called peaceful negotiations with the Tang army.

It’s a pity that I was negligent and was angered by this prepared guy, and lost his normalcy and dealt with it inappropriately, so that I was at a disadvantage in front of this person.

However, the words of Haoge seem to make some sense, but Dorgon knew that he could never agree to the conditions proposed by Haoge. Because there was the most serious problem that Dorgon was the most taboo.

That is, he must not easily let Haoge gain the upper hand to increase his prestige and popularity and thus gain the upper hand in the struggle of the court. This is something that the arrogant Dorgon cannot tolerate.

What's more, Dorgon opposed it from the bottom of his heart that the Tang army had occupied a large area of ​​the Qing Dynasty, and he didn't even make a counterattack, and he thought of begging the Tang army to negotiate with a humble manner. If this kind of cowardly and incompetent behavior was really implemented, it would be a shame that the Qing Empire could not cleanse!

Therefore, Dorgon made up his mind to argue with Haoge to the end, and he must not succeed in this guy's opinion.

Dorgon was distorted with anger. After thinking for a moment, he replied sternly: "Haoge, what you are talking about now is just your one-sided statement. The Tang army is not a heavenly soldier and general. How can we win before we fight with us? If the defeat of Vladivostok is truly analyzed, it is a crime of war, but it is because of luck. If the Tang army did not accidentally shake the late emperor seriously, I am afraid that this city had been successfully captured by my 100,000 army. All history now would have been rewritten long ago, how could it be so depressed!"

Dorgon paused and continued, "Haoge, what are the real evidences of your negative and declining view? Can you predict whether you will succeed in the future? How can you just determine that the Qing Dynasty has no power to fight and cannot win the battle with the Tang army? Take a step back and say that the Tang army came here on an expedition, and it is not a single piece of iron, so there is no gap to take advantage of. The Tang army that has attacked our Qing territory is not all in one place, but can be roughly divided into two parts: southern Liao and western Liao, among which the Tang army in southern Liao is its

The main force is led by Li Xiao himself. This Tang army has strong forces. If our army wants to completely defeat them, it will be a big deal. However, the Tang army in western Liaoning is relatively weak, with limited troops and no firearms. If our army can seize it, it will definitely greatly damage the arrogance of the Tang army. Even if we cannot completely drive the Tang army out of western Liaoning, even if we still have to negotiate with the Tang army next, with such a victory in hand, we can undoubtedly better increase our value and have more bargaining chips. If we negotiate with the Tang army at that time, wouldn’t we be confident and more confident?”

After hearing Dorgon's stern words, Haoge was stunned.

He didn't expect that when he was prepared and Dorgon was completely unprepared, this guy could still talk and quickly turn the situation around, turning disadvantages into benefits, which made him unable to answer the words for the time being.

No wonder Dorgon is so heartless. This guy is so smart and ingenious. His wisdom and ambition are really far above himself. It seems that in the future, the struggle with this guy will be quite fierce and cruel.

The atmosphere in the living room suddenly became silent.

By now, Haoge has understood that it is impossible for him to wish to convince Dorgon. It seems that Dorgon is unwilling to accept that he will not fight a war with the Tang army.

However, can the Qing army, which has suffered a series of defeats and has been dispersed, really defeat those Tang army that have defended the city? Haoge did not think so at all.

He believed in his heart that even if the Qing army now concentrates all its strength and just attacks a Zhenyuan Fort with fewer troops and no firearms, it is absolutely impossible to be as easy and simple as Dorgon said.

Since that's the case, let Dorgon send his own troops to fight. I, Haoge, can only watch from the wall. I will take a closer look at you, how you will be in front of the Tang army's iron fist, and you will be bleeding. At that time, don't blame me for not saying ugly words in front!

Thinking of this, Haoge's face pretended to be sad, and he sighed: "Prince Rui, it seems that you can't listen to my opinion at all. Since this is the case, I don't want to talk to each other, so I won't say much. But I want to tell you that if you really plan to attack the Zhenyuan Fort of the Tang army, you can send your subordinates to come. My soldiers are unwilling to make such meaningless sacrifices. Okay, let's gossip, I will say goodbye!"

When Dorgon saw Haoge speak such split words in a noble manner, his tone was so rude, and he felt very annoyed. However, considering that the Qing Dynasty had just ended the split and restored unification, he could never afford to turn against Haoge into an enemy, so, Haoge's last words were extremely rude, Dorgon could only swallow them and then, gritted his teeth and endured them.

He gritted his teeth hard, controlled his anger like a burning fire in his heart, and replied coldly: "Since that's the case, then the topic will end here. I hope Prince Su is not impatient. Please wait until I send troops to take down Zhenyuan Fort, and then discuss the next steps with Prince Su. I'll send you away soon!"

Haoge sneered, walked away with his sleeves, and quickly disappeared at the entrance of the living room.

Looking at Haoge's back, Dorgon was so angry that he clenched his teeth. He waited until the sound of footsteps outside completely disappeared before he grabbed the cup on the table and smashed it to pieces.

"Haoge, you bastard! One day, I will smash you like a cup and smash it to pieces! I will trample you, the thief, will trample on the ground for the rest of the world, and never turn over!" In the empty hall, Dorgon's roar shook the tiles.

Dorgon was like a trapped beast, paced back and forth in the room. After finally calming down, he ordered to the servant in a deep voice: "Go and bring Prince Yu and Mr. Fan to the living room."

"Well, the servant follows the order."

Soon, Prince Yu Duoduo and Wencheng, a senior secretary of Wenguan, arrived in a hurry.

Dorgon stopped the etiquette of the two, and then he had a gloomy face and roughly told the two of them what Haoge had just come to him.

After listening to Dorgon's narration, both of them were shocked. Fan Wencheng frowned and thought deeply, and kept stroking his beard with his right hand, while Prince Yu Duoduo was already furious.

"I'm really angry! Second brother, Haoge, as the left regent of the Qing Dynasty, is so useless. He is afraid before the battle, and he doesn't even have the courage to fight with the Tang army. He just thought about it so hard that he wanted to negotiate peacefully with the Tang army, which really lost all the face of the Qing Dynasty!" Duoduo stood up from his chair, roared with anger.

Duoduo's eyes were wide open and his face was filled with anger. He shouted at Dorgon again: "Second brother, don't think about anything. Just speak, just let me bring a force to fight against the Tang army. Whether it is to attack Haicheng, Yingkou, or Zhenyuan Fort in western Liaoning, I will be fine. If I don't win, I'm willing to come and see you!"

Dorgon looked at Duoduo coldly and expressed his passionate statement, but did not speak. He just sighed and asked Fan Wencheng, who had not spoken next to him, and said: "Sir Fan, I want to ask you, what do you think of Prince Su's opinion, but you can speak the truth to me."

Fan Wencheng said oh, as if he had just woken up from his thoughts. He bowed to Dorgon and said, "Regent, please forgive me, let me say frankly. Although Prince Su's words are extreme, they make some sense."

"Oh, why does Mr. Fan think so?"

"Prince Rui, now the war in the Qing Dynasty is over. People's livelihood is difficult, national strength is difficult, and military morale is depressed. How can we continue to face the battle with the Tang army, which has been replenishing for a long time? In the eyes of the empress, the first thing that our Qing Dynasty is to rest as soon as possible, restore national strength, and then regain its efforts to fight with the Tang army to dominate the world. Therefore, in the following view, although Prince Su's opinion is fear of war and timidity, and although it is suspected of indignation of national dignity, under the current situation, it is still a decent way out for our Qing Dynasty."

"Hmph, Fan Wencheng, what do you mean?! In your opinion, Haoge's opinion, do we have to agree with him? Can we really be like this? We don't even dare to fight, and we have to kneel to the Tang army for peace?!"

Before Dorgon could say, Duoduo, who was beside him, had already shouted sternly. His thick right hand pointed directly at Fan Wencheng's nose, and his two sharp gazes poked directly on Fan Wencheng's thin face.

"Hmph, you guys have no bones and no courage. When things come, you think of begging for mercy. It's really useless! Let me tell you, we Manzhou warriors who are scattered across the white mountains and black waters will never be as timid and incompetent as you guys. They are a group of cowards who only know how to surrender!"

Fan Wencheng's face was very ugly when Duoduo was violently insulted. He shivered and did not dare to refute. He glanced at Dorgon with his squint eyes and found that he was frowning and pondering, but he was very acknowledging Duoduo's words.
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