Wu Zheng laughed furiously, let go of his hand to support Ma Shiying, and let him continue to kneel on the ground, saying fiercely: "Okay, I want to hear how you, a smart man, guess my thoughts."

Ma Shiying snorted softly: "Jinghai Hou has the heart to resist the Qing Dynasty and restore the Ming Dynasty. Ma believes it and believes it deeply. But it is not surprising that Jinghai Hou has other thoughts besides this heart. If King Lu has always been in charge of the country, and when the anti-Qing Dynasty and restore the Ming Dynasty is successful, the reputation of King Lu will rise. At that time, in the court, Qian Sule and other Qingliu will strongly advocate supporting King Lu ascend the throne. Not to mention whether King Lu and King Jinghai Hou are in the same heart, just say that King Lu is suspicious, how could he not beware of Jinghai Hou's support for the army and respect himself?"

"As the royal family, King Lu is the king of Jingnan. Even if the Jinghai Hou wants to object, he may not be able to receive the support of his ministers. In this way, the Jinghai Hou will be enemies of the whole world. Unless the Jinghai Hou can retreat bravely at that time and preserve his reputation for a lifetime. But according to my old opinion, the Jinghai Hou is not a person who is willing to be poor. You need to make arrangements for the future. This is the most important reason why you deposed the King of Lu."

Wu Zheng sneered lightly, "Absurd!"

"Whether it is absurd or not, Mr. Hou will naturally understand. Let's talk about supporting Princess Changping's governor. As mentioned earlier, King Lu is a man, and he has the practice of ascending the throne with the flow. But Princess Changping is different. She is a woman. Even if she has been in charge of the country until she has achieved success in her great cause, she must find a royal man again and inherit the throne. But if she wants another royal man, she can't get around Jinghai Hou. At that time, Marquis Jinghai had already held a million troops, Duke of Jin, and even a title of a different surname. As long as it is not what Mr. Hou wants, Mr. Hou can veto it in one word. Regardless of whether the ruler or the ministers of the court, he can't blame Mr. Hou."

Wu Zheng was a little stunned. Is the old man in front of him the worm in his stomach?

But many things cannot be admitted, so Wu Zheng shouted and said, "This is just that you are guessing this with the heart of a villain."

Ma Shiying responded repeatedly: "Ma is naturally a villain. Everyone in the world refers to me as a villain. He is a traitor, and there is no shortage of Master Hou. But Master Hou should not forget that Ma, a villain, crawled out of the quagmire of party struggles."

Wu Zheng said angrily: "I originally wanted to find a job of peace and leisure for you to support you for the rest of your life. I don't expect you to guess this person so maliciously. It's really hateful. After today, you will go by yourself, and I don't want to see you again."

This is a very heavy saying. If Ma Shiying loses Wu Zheng's protection, he will be torn apart by the court officials when he goes out now. Even if Ma Shiying is lucky, he will be able to survive tonight.

Therefore, Wu Zheng didn't have to kill anyone by himself, and drove Ma Shiying out and could silence him.

How experienced Ma Shiying is, how could he not know that it is so powerful?

And irritating Wu Zheng was what he wanted.

So Ma Shiying said, "Please calm down and let me finish my words."

"speak."

"If Mr. Hou really has this idea, he will definitely need Ma. Now most of the court are Qingliu."

"Is the clear stream not good? It is better to treat the country and the people than to the eunuch party and to the treacherous ones!"

"No." Ma Shiying firmly denied, "There is a saying that Hou must have heard of. When the water is clear, there will be no fish. It is very easy to break. Although Ma is among the eunuch party, he still admires loyal ministers and righteous men. However, in the court, Qingliu held great power alone and was of no use to the country and the people."

Wu Zheng sneered: "A joke, Qingliu is better than a traitor in power alone. Can he let corruption and dereliction of duty harm the country and the people?"

Ma Shiying sighed, "I will give you an example and Mr. Hou will understand."

"In the late Chongzhen period, the imperial treasury was tightened and the income was not enough. Hundreds of thousands of border troops could not pay. The emperor wanted to charge three more wages, but the Donglin group rejected the people. Later, the emperor insisted on levying for a year, but because of these people's strong obstacles, the border soldiers had no salary to receive, which led to mutiny and rebellion. Is it beneficial to such a clear stream to the country and the people?"

Wu Zheng retorted: "I think the original intention of the Qingliu in the court to reject it is also for the people of the world, right?"

But Wu Zheng's tone is no longer certain.

Ma Shiying did not refute, but continued to give an example: "Okay, let's talk about the Hongguang Dynasty two years ago. After King Fu ascended the throne, he was indeed debauchery and extravagant. The four towns intercepted taxes, which was the real reason for the collapse. But if it weren't for these Donglinists, they wouldn't have died in one year. Mr. Hou should know that with the Yangtze River as the boundary, the north and south, the vast land and population south of the Huai River, the imperial court collected grain, silver, cloth and other property from all over the south of the Yangtze River every year to make up for the imperial court's expenses. In addition, the imperial court's millions of troops could not fight north, at least he would be safe. But in fact, the imperial court could not even pay the salary of officials."

"The national treasury is empty. Before the Qing army attacked Yangzhou, this group of Donglin Party members were still constantly breaking the ground, advising the emperor to reduce taxes in various places, and even more so, advising tax exemptions. If it weren't for the joint rejection of Ma and Shi Kefa, the Hongguang Dynasty would have been more than a year. I would like to ask, would such a clear stream be beneficial to the country and the people? They did not submit tax exemptions for the welfare of the people, but just for their reputation. Mr. Hou must know that every time the Donglin Party members in the Chongzhen Dynasty advised to reduce taxes and after the government orders were issued, the people in various places were still living in poverty. But in fact, the taxes of the court had been lowered to the point where they could not be lower."

"Ma was actually very puzzled. In the past two years, he was able to resolve his doubts after traveling to the mountains and forests in various places. It turned out that the imperial court's decrees were not over the people at all, and the people were still paying heavy taxes. The heavy taxes paid by the people were divided up by local governments, gentry and local royal families. Not only that, they also relied on their own tax exemption rights to annex the people's land, so that the people who lost their land were rebels one after another. This is the reason why the rebels in various places emerged one after another."

Looking at Ma Shiying who was talking, Wu Zheng had an illusion that the honesty in front of him was loyal or treacherous, or a treacherous or capable minister?

The eunuchs are really all traitors, and the pure and liu are really all loyal ministers?

Wu Zheng sighed in his heart that the brushwork of historical books in the Spring and Autumn Period was written by the winners, and the lines all represent what they want to say. The loser can only accept it and can never refute it.

Just like the history of the Ming Dynasty I saw, it was compiled by the opponents and enemies of the Ming Dynasty. Can it represent what really happened in the Ming Dynasty?

There are also those who participated in the compilation of the Ming Dynasty. Among them, they were ministers who surrendered to the Qing Dynasty. They could only hide their sins and shamelessness in surrendering to the Qing Dynasty by belittled and slandering the Ming Dynasty. Can the history of the Ming Dynasty compiled by such people reflect the truth of the Ming Dynasty?

Wu Zheng, who had been in this chaotic world for a long time, has increasingly discovered that many things are not what he imagined.
Chapter completed!