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Let's do it, compare the ten wins and ten losses of Liu Bei and Ma Chao in the Jingzhou battle in this book

Time-

Liu Bei: If you have a great reputation, you can surrender and rebel in the name of Liu Qi's uncle; Ma Chao: If you have no great reputation;

Geographical aspects—

Liu Bei: There are nearly 10,000 naval troops, which occupy the best water. The naval troops are the most important in Jingzhou area. They can use the Yangtze River to control the eight counties in the south of the Yangtze River and attack the Jiangbei area at will;

Ma Chao: There are about 10,000 cavalrymen, which occupies the superior cavalry, but the cavalrymen have less roles in Jingzhou than the navy and cannot attack Jiangnan (that is, Liu Bei can fight at will, but Ma Chao cannot fight);

People and aspects—

Liu Bei: A master who wins people's hearts and has a great reputation, can attract surrender and rebel, saving a lot of money from siege;

Ma Chao:...

In terms of guides—

Liu Bei: Foreign households, but with the assistance of Zhuge Liang and other scholars in Jingzhou, the situation in Jingzhou was relatively clear;

Ma Chao: An outsider has basically no interpersonal relationships in Jingzhou;

Staff-

Liu Bei: Fei Ge alone has Zhuge Liang, Pang Tong and Lu Xun as counselors, plus Xu Shu, Lu Su, and Zhang Zhao who are backing up... (Not much lower than Cao Cao's think tank)

Ma Chao: There is a method that cannot fully understand its talents;

Generals—

Liu Bei: Fei Ge alone has Zhang Fei, Gan Ning, Wei Yan, and Chen Dao as the generals, plus Guan Yu and Zhao Yun with support... (Even if Cao Cao takes action personally, he dare not underestimate him)

Ma Chao: Ma Chao himself and Ponde and other generals... are still a certain gap compared to Liu Bei;

In terms of force—

Liu Bei: Fei Ge's first wave of troops alone had at least 30,000 infantry and nearly 10,000 naval forces. If necessary, additional reinforcements could be sent;

Ma Chao: There are about 10,000 cavalry troops and thousands of infantry troops, and basically no reinforcements;

Friendly forces—

Liu Bei: You can transfer famous generals such as Huang Zhong and Wen Pin in the name of Liu Qi, and the troops from the eight counties in the south of the Yangtze River to participate in the war;

Ma Chao: Cai Mao’s soldiers...how much combat power is there? Famous generals... Are there people with 80-strong force in the game? And it is difficult to cooperate with each other;

Logistics-

Liu Bei: At least five counties are used as supplies, and the eight counties in Jiangnan that are not threatened by war can also be transported to mobilize materials;

Ma Chao: There is only one county in Shangyong, and there are only four counties in other areas of Jiangbei. Besides, land transportation can consume much more than water transportation;

Integration—

Liu Bei: You can use the battle of Jingzhou to make the newly acquired Jiangdong generals feel a sense of belonging and increase their loyalty. You can also train Cai Mao as an opponent, and you can also receive more surrendered soldiers and generals in Jingzhou. After the war, the governance of the new territory will definitely be better than that of Ma Chao, and you can stabilize Jingzhou as soon as possible and form a strong combat power;

Ma Chao:...

Based on the above ten wins and ten losses, Liu Bei's attack on Jingzhou is definitely better than supporting Ma Chao to win Jingzhou. The so-called "Heaven and not taking are the consequences." Liu Bei's control of Jing and Yangzhou is definitely more threatening to Cao Cao than Liu Bei's control of Yangzhou. Ma Chao's combination of Jingzhou controls Jingzhou.

In short, even if Liu Bei wants to support Ma Chao, at most he promised to seal the original Shangyong and the territory near Xinye, Jingbei to Ma Chao in exchange for him to betray Cai Mao and guard the northern gate of Jingzhou for Liu Bei. However, this plan still requires Ma Chao to know the situation, and the probability is not high. Capturing or killing Ma Chao is probably a more reasonable development direction.

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This work gives people a very real feeling, that is, things that do not belong to you will never take away! In fact, many works strive for perfection, especially works of the Three Kingdoms. Everyone knows that the generals and strategists of the Three Kingdoms are very many and very outstanding. Out of love and the desire to make up for the regrets of history, many authors adopt the method of opening a lion to take all the first-class and even first-class generals and strategists under the custody. The starting point is good and caters to the psychology of many readers. However, due to the difference in writing skills and logical thinking, some seem very real, while others are too exaggerated. The more mature writing method is to come there and start before the troubled times of the Three Kingdoms.

Then, before those fierce generals or strategists meet their original lords in history, or have already met but have not yet established a solid relationship, they can poach a corner, or directly take the talents that should belong to them as a character in the Three Kingdoms, and then adopt the above poaching method. The more naive way of writing is that no matter whether the enemy's talents are loyal to their lords, they only communicate with each other with tears of tears, and automatically admit mistakes and surrender. Although there are many greed, the former is more logical, and the protagonist of this work joins in the middle, but is just resurrected with Zhang Fei's new life. In the face of many outstanding talents, there is a rational choice, such as Cao Cao's hand

Guo Jia and Zhang Liao and others were captured, but were eventually released. Firstly, because this is a war deal, and secondly, Guo Jia's loyalty to Cao Cao will never be reduced easily, unless Cao Cao himself surrenders, and Zhang Liao is a loyal and bloody warrior. He has no reason to surrender, so a tragic death is his best destination. However, Zhou Taishi Ci Zhou Tai and Zhou Yu and others of Sun Wu, Zhou Tai will not talk about it for now. The relationship between the other two people and Sun Ce is absolutely extraordinary. The two are trusted and they will never surrender, so they can only end with a tragic death. Although this looks very sad and loses the perfection of everyone's joy, it has been exchanged for the completeness and seriousness of the entire work, making everything in line with common sense. In addition, the author

Excellent writing styles allow the work to achieve a kind of incomplete beauty and alternative perfection in imperfection. Moreover, as Shu Han itself, he is constantly moving towards perfection. I remember when Zhang Fei made a vow, he said that he must change the tragic ending of his two brothers. So, is this a pursuit of perfection? Moreover, I think with the efforts of this new Zhang Fei, Pang Tong's death of Luofengpo, Guan Yu's defeat of Maicheng, Wei Yan's injustice, Zhuge Liang's "dead before he succeeds in his army, and the heroes who have long been crying," and so on, the endings that we regret for Shu Han heroes will definitely change. At least the Shu Han we love has moved towards perfection and unity. Can this make up for some of our psychological regrets?

In addition, our protagonist Zhang Fei has also become a perfect general, with super first-class force, at least a first-class strategy, and a heart that has become extremely calm and peaceful, no longer irritable and fierce, but still hot. This Zhang Fei is the most close and beloved Zhang Fei I have ever seen, and is also the most admirable. The author of this protagonist's portrayal, whether in terms of his performance on the battlefield or his psychological details, is successful, because he has completely replaced Zhang Fei's image in my heart. For some reason, he is so real and close...

Of course, this Zhang Fei is respectable, but what is even more respectable is our author, because his brilliant writing has reshaped a great Zhang Fei. This shows that the author's intention to this work is here to thank the author for his efforts!!

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In addition, for Liu Bei's side, is it really a good thing to advance to Jingzhou now?

Jiangdong was initially settled. Although the pacification process was relatively smooth, Liu Bei's side did not suffer much loss. However, the most important thing for Liu Bei's side at the moment was to completely digest the benefits of this battle, expand the army and prepare for war, and appease the people's hearts. These are not something that can be completed in a short period of time.

Under such circumstances, when Liu Bei's side obtained Jingzhou, when his overall strength was still inferior to Cao Cao, he would face Cao Cao's pressure on another front, and there would be less room for maneuver in diplomacy. Strategically speaking, it should be more harmful than good.

Personally, I believe that for Liu Bei's side, the advantage of this Jingzhou Rebellion must be taken, such as taking back the Jiangdong area that was given to Jingzhou. However, Jingzhou area does not need to be taken for the time being. The best countermeasure is to support a Jingzhou regime that is pro-Liu and rebelling against Cao. From this point of view, there may not even be help from Liu Qi. Ma Chao may be the best choice. At that time, as long as you make an alliance with him to fight against Cao, and then take out the edict of his father's robbery to talk about it, this 25-year-old will definitely stand on the front line of the anti-Cao. With Fa Zheng, there is really no better candidate for "cannon fodder" than this.

Kong Ming has an unparalleled view of the overall strategic situation, so he shouldn’t be able to see the situation clearly, right?

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Basically agree. It is not realistic to swallow Liu Qi in one bite. The best countermeasure is to support a half-puppet regime of Liu Qi who is pro-Liu and anti-Cao.

However, Liu Bei and Liu Qi are allies, and if they don’t help Liu Qi and help Ma Chao, there is no such thing as being a great name. And the most important thing is: Liu Qi is much better than Ma Chao, and it will be much smoother to control Liu Qi to stabilize Jingzhou. After all, Ma Chao is an outsider, so there is no benefit in helping him. If you can’t accept it, you will kill him.

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It is indeed very important to completely digest the benefits of the pacification of Jiangdong, expand the army and prepare for war, and soothe people's hearts. It would be great if Liu Biao died later.

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Otherwise, Liu Qi is better at controlling than Ma Chao, but at this stage, Liu Bei does not need to control Jingzhou much better. It is enough to have a common understanding of the point of resisting Cao. In this regard, I think Ma Chao is definitely more determined than Liu Qi's determination to resist Cao, right? Moreover, Liu Qi also has capable people under him. Now history has changed, how can you know that Liu Qi would not think of balancing between Cao and Liu? This is definitely not what Liu Bei wants to see, and Ma Chao is different. With his conceit and hatred, although he has laws, it is impossible to shake his determination to resist Cao. In other words, let Ma Chao take Jingzhou, there will be no strategic changes under any circumstances.

Moreover, in the long run, letting Ma Chao, an outsider, gain Jingzhou is more conducive to Liu Bei's entry into Jingzhou in the future than the legitimate Liu Qi. Otherwise, either Liu Bei would ignore his reputation or pray that Liu Qi would die as early as in history, and both were passive.

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Ma Chao is more determined than Liu Qi's determination to resist Cao, but even more firmly, it is better than controlling Jingzhou by controlling Liu Qi. Moreover, Liu Bei and Liu Qi are allies, and if they don't help Liu Qi, they will have no right to help Ma Chao. Ma Chao, an outsider, has taken Jingzhou longer to stabilize the situation, but Liu Qi is justified. In the long run, if Ma Chao takes Jingzhou, if it is strong, Liu Bei will not have the chance to take Jingzhou. If it is in chaos, it will drag Liu Bei back. Old Cao will not give Liu Bei more time. Therefore, Liu Qi is more conducive to Liu Bei's entry into Jingzhou and becoming a half-puppet Liu Qi regime. In short, it is better to hold Jingzhou in his own hands than to give Ma Chao. For the newly acquired Jiangdong generals, fighting Jingzhou can also gather them together. Just imagine, after Gan Ning and Jiang Qin beat Huang Zu side by side, comrades were established.

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No, of course Liu Bei doesn't have to help Ma Chao, but he just keeps some hand and lets Liu Qi lose to Ma Chao. If necessary, he can save his life when Liu Qi is defeated, control him in his own hands, and conceal a piece for his future entry into Jingzhou.

It doesn't matter whether Ma Chao can stabilize Jingzhou, it's better if he can't stabilize it. With the current strength of the Ma family and the help of Fa Zheng, the Ma family can at least not be turned over after taking Jingzhou, so that they can have a territory to fight against Cao Cao, which is enough.

As for what to do if Ma Chao becomes stronger? It's really a worry. There is a prerequisite to clarify. Whether it is Ma Chao or Liu Qi, it is just a "cannon fodder" for Liu Bei. If Ma Chao becomes stronger, he will not think that he can finally beat Cao Cao, right? As long as they can consume more time and strength of Cao Cao, they will fulfill Liu Bei's "expectations" for them. So in the short term, the stronger their strength, the more beneficial it is to Liu Bei. To put it bluntly, now we have to give Ma Chao a piece of land and let him fight with Cao Cao, that's all. Liu Bei doesn't need to have any control over Jingzhou now. As long as they can be sure that Jingzhou will fight Cao Cao unswervingly and fight big and hot, this is the best.

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In the battle between Jingzhou, the protagonist was destined to be the last one of Cao and Liu. The horse and Liu were just chess pieces. The most useful chess piece is not necessarily the most obedient chess piece, but the chess piece that can be exchanged for the greatest value.

Liu Qi is weak by nature and has many wise men. Once he fights with Cao Cao, he may not be able to do his best. Even if the situation changes, it is not impossible to surrender to Cao Cao with conditions. Based on this alone, Ma Chao will not change from the strategy, and the short-term lethality of the Ma family is definitely far above Liu Qi. As for long-term development, to be honest, whether it is Ma Chao or Liu Qi, they have no long-term to say when fighting with Cao Cao. So the best result is that Ma Chao takes Jingzhou, Liu Bei takes in Liu Qi on the one hand, and decides to fight against Cao Cao on the other hand. When Cao and Ma Chao fight, he supports Ma Chao to a limited extent. In this way, if Ma Chao loses, Cao Cao consumes much more power than Liu Qi. If Ma Chao wins, his foundation is still not stable, and Liu Bei can take over Jingzhou in the name of Liu Qi.

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This time, Jingzhou was in chaos, no matter whether it was victorious or defeated, the Liu family's strength was greatly damaged, so how could it be regarded as Cao Cao? The protagonist made a very big and very short-short strategic mistake. He did not understand the significance of the Jingzhou regime to Liu Bei. The first thing to consider is not how to seize it yourself in the future, but to retain Cao Cao. From this point of view, the combat effectiveness of this temporary regime in Jingzhou will become stronger and more explosive. Anyway, it is inevitable that it will not be able to stop it. Naturally, it will fight as much as it can.

Now, for Jingzhou, one is nameless and the other is realityless. What is good for Liu Bei, it is no longer clear. If it is true, it will be more conducive to consuming Cao Cao's power. If it is nameless, it will be more conducive to Liu Bei's entry into Jingzhou in the future. If Liu Qi really wins Jingzhou, he will be half-death. When Cao's army goes south, no one will be fools. Will he still try his best to be a "cannon fodder" for you? Therefore, since Liu Bei has already lifted the siege of water for Liu Qi, he will have fulfilled his morality. In the end, Ma Chao will still fight to the throne. At most, he will be willing to take Liu Qi to Shouchun. He always said that controlling Jingzhou and Jingzhou will be a waste of money before he decided to win and lose with Cao Cao. What is it so easy to control?

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——You forgot that Liu Bei and Liu Qi are allies, and if you don’t help Liu Qi and Ma Chao, there will be no title of righteousness. Even if you leave a little hand, let Liu Qi lose to Ma Chao, how many subordinates are Ma Chao? He is also an outsider. How can you control Jingzhou to consume Cao Cao’s power in a short time? It is better for the protagonist to do it himself, than Ma Chao to do it himself. How can you do it? How can you get the most valuable chess piece? If "with the current strength of the Ma family and the help of Fa Zheng, the Ma family will at least not be turned over after taking Jingzhou, and it will give them a territory to fight against Cao Cao, which is enough", then it is better for the protagonist to do it himself? "As long as you can be sure that Jingzhou will fight Cao Cao unswervingly and fight big and hot", then the protagonist can achieve this goal by himself.

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You forgot that Liu Bei and Liu Qi are allies, and if you don’t help Liu Qi and help Ma Chao, you will not have the right to be righteous. I said that you don’t need to help Ma Chao openly, as Liu Qi can’t fight him. As for Liu Qi, I also said that after resolving the siege of water for Liu Qi, you will be able to do your best. In the end, Ma Chao will still fight to the death. At most, you will be willing to take Liu Qi to Shouchun.
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